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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who are interested in the population numbers, here is a piece I wrote on the 2010 Census results and birth-death statistics  that ran in the Daily News more than a year ago:


VOL. 126 &#124; NO. 58 &#124; Thursday, March 24, 2011  Memphis Daily News
Analysis Shows City Lost 90K Residents Last Decade

By Jimmie Covington
The area currently within the Memphis city limits lost 80,000 or more residents to outward movement during the past decade, the most recent census and birth-death numbers show.
And the number may actually be 90,000 or more.
The pattern of loss appears to be similar to the losses that have occurred in Detroit and Newark and some other cities across the nation, said Dr. Louis Pol, a demographer at the University of Nebraska at Omaha.
Pol, who is also dean of the university’s College of Business Administration, is a former faculty member at the University of Memphis and is familiar with the Memphis area.
“This isn’t the first decade of net out-migration,” he said. “There have been several other decades. There is a momentum to it.”
Recently released 2010 census figures show Memphis’ population dropping from 650,100 in 2000 to 646,889, a decline of 3,211.
But Pol agreed that those figures alone don’t take into account that during the 10 years, Memphis annexed areas that had a 2000 census count of 40,643.
If everyone had stayed in place, the annexations would have boosted Memphis’ population to 690,743, the number the U.S. Census Bureau used as the base for estimating the city’s population each year between the censuses.
And then there is the matter of births and deaths, another major factor affecting an area’s population.
Vital statistics show that Shelby County as a whole recorded 68,952 more births than deaths during 2000-2009. They do not show how many involved Memphis residents.
However, Pol said that given the size and age makeup of Memphis’ population compared to that in the county outside the city, a gain of 50,000 from births over deaths within the city would “probably be a pretty good estimate. And it could well be more.”
A gain of 50,000 from births exceeding deaths plus the 40,643 residents gained from annexations would mean that the current city area has lost more than 90,000 people to outward movement.
Some of those people went to Shelby County outside Memphis, some to surrounding counties and perhaps some to other parts of the country.
Despite the annexation of the 40,643 residents and the territory where they lived, the population in Shelby County outside Memphis rose from 247,372 in 2000 to 280,755 last year.
The figures also uphold the view that the number of African-Americans and other minorities living in Shelby County outside Memphis has increased significantly.
The 2000 census found that Shelby County’s suburban population was 201,106 white, 36,616 black and 9,650 other.
The 2010 numbers are 186,150 white, 73,694 black and 20,911 other.
Because of the large loss within Memphis, the county as a whole lost people to outward movement although, unlike the city, the county had an increase in population as a result of the births exceeding deaths.
The county grew from 897,472 to 927,644, an increase of 30,172. However, as cited above, the “natural increase” from births over deaths was 68,952, indicating a net out-migration of 38,780.
Calculations using the 2000 and 2010 census numbers reflect that Shelby had a loss of 66,112 white residents as a result of out-migration and a gain of 27,332 among African-Americans and other minorities from in-migration.
Lest one believe that most of the out-moving white residents went to DeSoto County and that few if any minority residents are choosing DeSoto County, consider these numbers:
Among the 42,801 people that DeSoto gained from movement of people, 26,712, or 62.4 percent, were African-Americans and other minorities, and 16,089, or 37.6 percent, were white residents.
DeSoto also gained 8,401 white residents and 2,851 minority residents from births over deaths in posting an overall 54,053 population increase over the decade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who are interested in the population numbers, here is a piece I wrote on the 2010 Census results and birth-death statistics  that ran in the Daily News more than a year ago:</p>
<p>VOL. 126 | NO. 58 | Thursday, March 24, 2011  Memphis Daily News<br />
Analysis Shows City Lost 90K Residents Last Decade</p>
<p>By Jimmie Covington<br />
The area currently within the Memphis city limits lost 80,000 or more residents to outward movement during the past decade, the most recent census and birth-death numbers show.<br />
And the number may actually be 90,000 or more.<br />
The pattern of loss appears to be similar to the losses that have occurred in Detroit and Newark and some other cities across the nation, said Dr. Louis Pol, a demographer at the University of Nebraska at Omaha.<br />
Pol, who is also dean of the university’s College of Business Administration, is a former faculty member at the University of Memphis and is familiar with the Memphis area.<br />
“This isn’t the first decade of net out-migration,” he said. “There have been several other decades. There is a momentum to it.”<br />
Recently released 2010 census figures show Memphis’ population dropping from 650,100 in 2000 to 646,889, a decline of 3,211.<br />
But Pol agreed that those figures alone don’t take into account that during the 10 years, Memphis annexed areas that had a 2000 census count of 40,643.<br />
If everyone had stayed in place, the annexations would have boosted Memphis’ population to 690,743, the number the U.S. Census Bureau used as the base for estimating the city’s population each year between the censuses.<br />
And then there is the matter of births and deaths, another major factor affecting an area’s population.<br />
Vital statistics show that Shelby County as a whole recorded 68,952 more births than deaths during 2000-2009. They do not show how many involved Memphis residents.<br />
However, Pol said that given the size and age makeup of Memphis’ population compared to that in the county outside the city, a gain of 50,000 from births over deaths within the city would “probably be a pretty good estimate. And it could well be more.”<br />
A gain of 50,000 from births exceeding deaths plus the 40,643 residents gained from annexations would mean that the current city area has lost more than 90,000 people to outward movement.<br />
Some of those people went to Shelby County outside Memphis, some to surrounding counties and perhaps some to other parts of the country.<br />
Despite the annexation of the 40,643 residents and the territory where they lived, the population in Shelby County outside Memphis rose from 247,372 in 2000 to 280,755 last year.<br />
The figures also uphold the view that the number of African-Americans and other minorities living in Shelby County outside Memphis has increased significantly.<br />
The 2000 census found that Shelby County’s suburban population was 201,106 white, 36,616 black and 9,650 other.<br />
The 2010 numbers are 186,150 white, 73,694 black and 20,911 other.<br />
Because of the large loss within Memphis, the county as a whole lost people to outward movement although, unlike the city, the county had an increase in population as a result of the births exceeding deaths.<br />
The county grew from 897,472 to 927,644, an increase of 30,172. However, as cited above, the “natural increase” from births over deaths was 68,952, indicating a net out-migration of 38,780.<br />
Calculations using the 2000 and 2010 census numbers reflect that Shelby had a loss of 66,112 white residents as a result of out-migration and a gain of 27,332 among African-Americans and other minorities from in-migration.<br />
Lest one believe that most of the out-moving white residents went to DeSoto County and that few if any minority residents are choosing DeSoto County, consider these numbers:<br />
Among the 42,801 people that DeSoto gained from movement of people, 26,712, or 62.4 percent, were African-Americans and other minorities, and 16,089, or 37.6 percent, were white residents.<br />
DeSoto also gained 8,401 white residents and 2,851 minority residents from births over deaths in posting an overall 54,053 population increase over the decade.</p>
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		<title>By: Smart City Memphis</title>
		<link>http://www.smartcitymemphis.com/2012/04/budget-discussions-of-mythic-proportions/comment-page-1/#comment-28159</link>
		<dc:creator>Smart City Memphis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can see the 2013 budget proposed by Mayor Wharton at 

http://memphistn.gov/pdf_forms/Operating%20Budget%202013/MemphisOpbudget_v13.pdf

Anonymous: Without Cordova annexation, Memphis population would have gone down about 30,000 (maybe even a bit more).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see the 2013 budget proposed by Mayor Wharton at </p>
<p><a href="http://memphistn.gov/pdf_forms/Operating%20Budget%202013/MemphisOpbudget_v13.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://memphistn.gov/pdf_forms/Operating%20Budget%202013/MemphisOpbudget_v13.pdf</a></p>
<p>Anonymous: Without Cordova annexation, Memphis population would have gone down about 30,000 (maybe even a bit more).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is this proposed budget posted online somewheres?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is this proposed budget posted online somewheres?</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John, 
I hope I didn&#039;t send the message that we should put anything off.  Just being realistic about what the resistance and quagmire will be like.  I think we are in a crisis moment and this will be emphasized this week by the presentation which Charles Marhon will give this Wednesday night 5:30 at Ducks Unlimited.  I agree completely with the benchmark idea mentioned by Anonymous 10:44.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John,<br />
I hope I didn&#8217;t send the message that we should put anything off.  Just being realistic about what the resistance and quagmire will be like.  I think we are in a crisis moment and this will be emphasized this week by the presentation which Charles Marhon will give this Wednesday night 5:30 at Ducks Unlimited.  I agree completely with the benchmark idea mentioned by Anonymous 10:44.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.smartcitymemphis.com/2012/04/budget-discussions-of-mythic-proportions/comment-page-1/#comment-28155</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a simplistic idea to be considered:  Instead of focusing on short-term, one-off solutions, the administration(s) could set benchmarks.  That way they get credit in the short-term for their progress toward the long-term.  It&#039;s a simple political tool that makes short-term decisions fit in a long-term box, by generating praise and reward for short-term discipline.  Seattle&#039;s carbon-neutral city idea is a good precedent, among others.

Long-term benchmarks could include things like capping police and fire department budgets at a set percentage of the city budget, and restricting their annual growth to within a percentage point or two of the year-over-year growth in city revenues, with a maximum total deviation of a couple percentage points over a five-year period, the long-term benchmark being to reduce police and fire to a certain percentage of the city budget within ten years.  To address the priority of police spending, perhaps incentives could be created, so that, for example, if the police department can find it within their budget to spend more on prevention and intervention instead of incarceration, they are rewarded with a slightly larger total budget.  So instead of conceiving of independent spending allocations for all three police roles for which the city doesn&#039;t have enough money, the city incentivizes a shift in priorities without committing to more total spending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a simplistic idea to be considered:  Instead of focusing on short-term, one-off solutions, the administration(s) could set benchmarks.  That way they get credit in the short-term for their progress toward the long-term.  It&#8217;s a simple political tool that makes short-term decisions fit in a long-term box, by generating praise and reward for short-term discipline.  Seattle&#8217;s carbon-neutral city idea is a good precedent, among others.</p>
<p>Long-term benchmarks could include things like capping police and fire department budgets at a set percentage of the city budget, and restricting their annual growth to within a percentage point or two of the year-over-year growth in city revenues, with a maximum total deviation of a couple percentage points over a five-year period, the long-term benchmark being to reduce police and fire to a certain percentage of the city budget within ten years.  To address the priority of police spending, perhaps incentives could be created, so that, for example, if the police department can find it within their budget to spend more on prevention and intervention instead of incarceration, they are rewarded with a slightly larger total budget.  So instead of conceiving of independent spending allocations for all three police roles for which the city doesn&#8217;t have enough money, the city incentivizes a shift in priorities without committing to more total spending.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.smartcitymemphis.com/2012/04/budget-discussions-of-mythic-proportions/comment-page-1/#comment-28151</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George,

Do you think it would be crazy to suggest that we tackle it line-by-line?  Even if it takes a few years... what if we went line by line or department by department and publicly aired what our priorities, costs and resources are for each?  I suspect at first people would be into it and participate.  But over time, you could be right and the public would zone out.

My problem is that I have heard the &quot;it didn&#039;t take six-months to get into this mess and it will take a long time to get out&quot; excuse for, well, long enough to have gotten out of the mess.

While I like the line-by-line methodical solution. I am inclined to think that a crisis would be better.  We see the crisis coming (the ones that aren&#039;t already on us).  What if we just pretend they are all already here and force change NOW even if it is something drastic?  The debt and maintenance may only be addressed if we do something bold as opposed to deliberate over time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<p>Do you think it would be crazy to suggest that we tackle it line-by-line?  Even if it takes a few years&#8230; what if we went line by line or department by department and publicly aired what our priorities, costs and resources are for each?  I suspect at first people would be into it and participate.  But over time, you could be right and the public would zone out.</p>
<p>My problem is that I have heard the &#8220;it didn&#8217;t take six-months to get into this mess and it will take a long time to get out&#8221; excuse for, well, long enough to have gotten out of the mess.</p>
<p>While I like the line-by-line methodical solution. I am inclined to think that a crisis would be better.  We see the crisis coming (the ones that aren&#8217;t already on us).  What if we just pretend they are all already here and force change NOW even if it is something drastic?  The debt and maintenance may only be addressed if we do something bold as opposed to deliberate over time?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could just have said &quot;Joe Brown is out of touch withy reality, an elitist, racist, living in the past, perpetuating bad government, and an obstacle to progress and everyone would have agreed.

 Would have shortened your story a lot though.

Or, &quot;Joe Brown is BAD for Memphis progress&quot;. Yes he is.
Or, Joe Brown is engaged in some shady things.

Joe is a lot of things, but, a public servant he is not.

Joe needs to step down.
MLGW, MCS, and City Government is bloated with handout jobs and cronyism. We all know it.
We have duplicated service and still:
 SERVICES DO NOT GET DELIVERED PROPERLY IF AT ALL IN MEMPHIS.
MLGW still can&#039;t get a meter read properly. 

Memphis = Dubious Effortville.
 There are no laws to address that?
 Make some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could just have said &#8220;Joe Brown is out of touch withy reality, an elitist, racist, living in the past, perpetuating bad government, and an obstacle to progress and everyone would have agreed.</p>
<p> Would have shortened your story a lot though.</p>
<p>Or, &#8220;Joe Brown is BAD for Memphis progress&#8221;. Yes he is.<br />
Or, Joe Brown is engaged in some shady things.</p>
<p>Joe is a lot of things, but, a public servant he is not.</p>
<p>Joe needs to step down.<br />
MLGW, MCS, and City Government is bloated with handout jobs and cronyism. We all know it.<br />
We have duplicated service and still:<br />
 SERVICES DO NOT GET DELIVERED PROPERLY IF AT ALL IN MEMPHIS.<br />
MLGW still can&#8217;t get a meter read properly. </p>
<p>Memphis = Dubious Effortville.<br />
 There are no laws to address that?<br />
 Make some.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Budgets tend to become issue based line by line therefore making coalitions difficult as each of us shift with each line.  Some use this to their advantage while most sit on the sidelines.  Memphis faces a major problem in that it has annexed itself into massive debt and future maintenance costs which it cannot afford.   Until we begin to understand this and take the drastic steps to address it there will be no solution.  It took 50 years to get here and it will likely take 50 years to get out of it.  Must start now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Budgets tend to become issue based line by line therefore making coalitions difficult as each of us shift with each line.  Some use this to their advantage while most sit on the sidelines.  Memphis faces a major problem in that it has annexed itself into massive debt and future maintenance costs which it cannot afford.   Until we begin to understand this and take the drastic steps to address it there will be no solution.  It took 50 years to get here and it will likely take 50 years to get out of it.  Must start now.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do we make the Budget an issue-like discussion that people rally behind?

Madison Avenue bike lanes was an issue that garnered support or opposition from organized factions that were new.  Strip Club regulation brought together strange bedfellows in religious groups, social services and big business around an unlikely issue.  NBA now was an irresistible campaign that excited the pants off of people to do something big.

Is it possible to make the hard-to-understand budget an issue based discussion that people will gravitate to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we make the Budget an issue-like discussion that people rally behind?</p>
<p>Madison Avenue bike lanes was an issue that garnered support or opposition from organized factions that were new.  Strip Club regulation brought together strange bedfellows in religious groups, social services and big business around an unlikely issue.  NBA now was an irresistible campaign that excited the pants off of people to do something big.</p>
<p>Is it possible to make the hard-to-understand budget an issue based discussion that people will gravitate to?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we need the public to tell City of Memphis exactly what those basics are.&quot;

Agreed.  But the continuing struggle is:

A) how do we define WE and PUBLIC?  Citizens (that even in Memphis have wide philosophical chasms)? Corporations (who currently have vastly different views than citizens)?  At risk of bailing talent?  Future talent (who isn&#039;t here to speak for itself)?

More importantly B) how do we engage this mythical WE/PUBLIC?  We, as citizens, have a history of marching and yelling and making up simplistic us vs. them arguments from the comfort of our porch.  We have rarely been asked, inspired or even logically engaged in real solutions in a way that generates confidence that our time &amp; voice matters.  How do WE reach a checked-out PUBLIC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we need the public to tell City of Memphis exactly what those basics are.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed.  But the continuing struggle is:</p>
<p>A) how do we define WE and PUBLIC?  Citizens (that even in Memphis have wide philosophical chasms)? Corporations (who currently have vastly different views than citizens)?  At risk of bailing talent?  Future talent (who isn&#8217;t here to speak for itself)?</p>
<p>More importantly B) how do we engage this mythical WE/PUBLIC?  We, as citizens, have a history of marching and yelling and making up simplistic us vs. them arguments from the comfort of our porch.  We have rarely been asked, inspired or even logically engaged in real solutions in a way that generates confidence that our time &amp; voice matters.  How do WE reach a checked-out PUBLIC?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it true that without the annexation of Cordova, Memphis population loss would be close to 30,000?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it true that without the annexation of Cordova, Memphis population loss would be close to 30,000?</p>
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