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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://www.smartcitymemphis.com/2010/02/friends-for-our-riverfront-development-corporation/comment-page-1/#comment-13336</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I was just reading the Shelby County Grand Experiment posting, and thought, this is why people read the Smart City Memphis blog.  Brilliant!

I was referring to both the postings and your responses to those who leave comments on any topic other than BSL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I was just reading the Shelby County Grand Experiment posting, and thought, this is why people read the Smart City Memphis blog.  Brilliant!</p>
<p>I was referring to both the postings and your responses to those who leave comments on any topic other than BSL.</p>
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		<title>By: Smart City Memphis</title>
		<link>http://www.smartcitymemphis.com/2010/02/friends-for-our-riverfront-development-corporation/comment-page-1/#comment-13333</link>
		<dc:creator>Smart City Memphis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommy: No comments have been removed.

Zippy: We&#039;ve not seen a market study that&#039;s shown more retail would succeed because of our market realities.  (See Peabody Place.)  If we can lure some retail, we hope they&#039;ll be in the CBID.  

Mary: Are you talking about the comments or the posts themselves?  We think the posts have been consistent, but we admit that Mike&#039;s revisionist history and inability to see the mote in his own eye do test every ounce of our patience (and apparently we&#039;ve failed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy: No comments have been removed.</p>
<p>Zippy: We&#8217;ve not seen a market study that&#8217;s shown more retail would succeed because of our market realities.  (See Peabody Place.)  If we can lure some retail, we hope they&#8217;ll be in the CBID.  </p>
<p>Mary: Are you talking about the comments or the posts themselves?  We think the posts have been consistent, but we admit that Mike&#8217;s revisionist history and inability to see the mote in his own eye do test every ounce of our patience (and apparently we&#8217;ve failed).</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Volinchak</title>
		<link>http://www.smartcitymemphis.com/2010/02/friends-for-our-riverfront-development-corporation/comment-page-1/#comment-13330</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy Volinchak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidently I was too brutal when I posted on this topic before because it seems as though my comments were removed. 

By the way, does anyone here respect &quot;anonymous? What the hell good is a comment if the author doesn&#039;t have the testicular fortitude to put his name behind it? THOSE are the comments that should be pulled. But I digress...... 

Let me try to be gentle.

The problem here is that my good friend Lendermon is too much of a gentleman and pays far too much respect to fringe kooks and groups like &quot;Friends for Our Riverfront&quot;.

We are all allowing the discussion of far too many meaningless issues to get in the way of doing the right thing. The right thing is to finish BSL WITHOUT ANY REGARD
for those complaining.

The RDC has the standing, connections and clout to squash these fools and it&#039;s time to do it. At the end of the day when the ribbon cutting ceremony takes place nobody is going to remember the old farts that got trampled over along the way.

You don&#039;t want to be the bad guy? Why not? Is being polite to bullying buffoons really delivering the results you want? You&#039;re gonna get attacked no matter what you do. Benny! RDC.... give the sunsabitches something to really be mad about.

Win, That&#039;s what matters. Thats what the cotton traders did. They didn&#039;t discuss how their actions would affect anyone else. They had courage and focused on doing what worked for them. RDC, please do the same.

Grab a firm grip on the pliers, squeeze on the tooth and yank the damned thing out.

I am Tommy Volinchak and I approve this message.

If you don&#039;t like my message e mail me and I will smack you down some more. tommy@tunemanproductions.com

Hey, you know what? I approve of this message so much that if you don&#039;t like it you can call me 901.949.2128   

Ask For Testiculus Maximus.


* RDC.......... hire me as a special consultant. I will get your funding, I&#039;ll crush your cockroaches and I won&#039;t go to one single public hearing or meeting to do it.

* Cromer..... call me, I&#039;ll buy lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidently I was too brutal when I posted on this topic before because it seems as though my comments were removed. </p>
<p>By the way, does anyone here respect &#8220;anonymous? What the hell good is a comment if the author doesn&#8217;t have the testicular fortitude to put his name behind it? THOSE are the comments that should be pulled. But I digress&#8230;&#8230; </p>
<p>Let me try to be gentle.</p>
<p>The problem here is that my good friend Lendermon is too much of a gentleman and pays far too much respect to fringe kooks and groups like &#8220;Friends for Our Riverfront&#8221;.</p>
<p>We are all allowing the discussion of far too many meaningless issues to get in the way of doing the right thing. The right thing is to finish BSL WITHOUT ANY REGARD<br />
for those complaining.</p>
<p>The RDC has the standing, connections and clout to squash these fools and it&#8217;s time to do it. At the end of the day when the ribbon cutting ceremony takes place nobody is going to remember the old farts that got trampled over along the way.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t want to be the bad guy? Why not? Is being polite to bullying buffoons really delivering the results you want? You&#8217;re gonna get attacked no matter what you do. Benny! RDC&#8230;. give the sunsabitches something to really be mad about.</p>
<p>Win, That&#8217;s what matters. Thats what the cotton traders did. They didn&#8217;t discuss how their actions would affect anyone else. They had courage and focused on doing what worked for them. RDC, please do the same.</p>
<p>Grab a firm grip on the pliers, squeeze on the tooth and yank the damned thing out.</p>
<p>I am Tommy Volinchak and I approve this message.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like my message e mail me and I will smack you down some more. <a href="mailto:tommy@tunemanproductions.com">tommy@tunemanproductions.com</a></p>
<p>Hey, you know what? I approve of this message so much that if you don&#8217;t like it you can call me 901.949.2128   </p>
<p>Ask For Testiculus Maximus.</p>
<p>* RDC&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. hire me as a special consultant. I will get your funding, I&#8217;ll crush your cockroaches and I won&#8217;t go to one single public hearing or meeting to do it.</p>
<p>* Cromer&#8230;.. call me, I&#8217;ll buy lunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy the giver</title>
		<link>http://www.smartcitymemphis.com/2010/02/friends-for-our-riverfront-development-corporation/comment-page-1/#comment-13270</link>
		<dc:creator>Zippy the giver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, add more retail and such and it&#039;s a winner instead of a loser, well, it could be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, add more retail and such and it&#8217;s a winner instead of a loser, well, it could be.</p>
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		<title>By: Urbanut</title>
		<link>http://www.smartcitymemphis.com/2010/02/friends-for-our-riverfront-development-corporation/comment-page-1/#comment-13261</link>
		<dc:creator>Urbanut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get BSL built.  I love the fact that we actually had a design competition in this town that did not involve the usual list of suspects.  I&#039;m disappointed that it has turned into such a fiasco.  
RDC- post BSL, please go back and rethink the riverfront.  The variables have changed- what with opposition killing the land bridge and thus eliminating much of the private financing that was going to pay for all the proposed improvements and the economy going into the drink. Memphis has real issues with short vs. long term memory.  Whatever the plan may be, please drill the fact that the results could take up to 50 years to accomplish into the thick skulls of the citizenry.  They will eventually get it.  New Yorkers got it and the planning done in the 70’s is just now coming online, but the road was a bumpy one.  
FFOR- please learn to compromise.  Restoring the riverfront to the “glory days” of the late 19th century is a great goal.  However, without modern and contemporary attractions, who will come to see the restored cobblestones?  As always it is a balanced approach and from what I have read and seen on the websites, it appears that the RDC was proven more willing to incorporate a variety of uses and ideas than your organization.  Please learn to compromise less what little desire and momentum remains to overhaul the riverfront evaporates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get BSL built.  I love the fact that we actually had a design competition in this town that did not involve the usual list of suspects.  I&#8217;m disappointed that it has turned into such a fiasco.<br />
RDC- post BSL, please go back and rethink the riverfront.  The variables have changed- what with opposition killing the land bridge and thus eliminating much of the private financing that was going to pay for all the proposed improvements and the economy going into the drink. Memphis has real issues with short vs. long term memory.  Whatever the plan may be, please drill the fact that the results could take up to 50 years to accomplish into the thick skulls of the citizenry.  They will eventually get it.  New Yorkers got it and the planning done in the 70’s is just now coming online, but the road was a bumpy one.<br />
FFOR- please learn to compromise.  Restoring the riverfront to the “glory days” of the late 19th century is a great goal.  However, without modern and contemporary attractions, who will come to see the restored cobblestones?  As always it is a balanced approach and from what I have read and seen on the websites, it appears that the RDC was proven more willing to incorporate a variety of uses and ideas than your organization.  Please learn to compromise less what little desire and momentum remains to overhaul the riverfront evaporates.</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy the giver</title>
		<link>http://www.smartcitymemphis.com/2010/02/friends-for-our-riverfront-development-corporation/comment-page-1/#comment-13236</link>
		<dc:creator>Zippy the giver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can guarantee you that no retail, one restaurant, and not much else will not bring people to the river front for very long.
 If you don&#039;t have enough retail, there becomes no attraction for locals and nothing to hold tourists for long or in large enough groups to mean anything over the long run.
 However, if you move towards more retail, more restaurants, you might be able to make it make sense. 
 No retail? What are people supposed to be attracted to, staring at the same thing all day everyday with no other attraction? Maybe you think they&#039;ll stare at Bass Pro Shop, hahaha.
 There is NO Bass Pro Shop.
 What do they get from going to the new riverfront development that they can&#039;t get anywhere else? To say they were there? Not enough.
 One restaurant?
 Gordon Ramsey would be yelling his head off at you. You better have one super-stellar restaurant and the employees better learn to wash their hands!
 In Little Rock they go to get stuff that they can&#039;t get anywhere else nearby, news, news station, foods, soups, bread, BBQ (that&#039;s right), flowers, Sushi, bakery stuff cookies donuts cakes and pies, hear live music, a library, clothing stores, Africana, a museum of discovery, apartments, Arkansas stuff, and lots of other stuff. TONS of restaurants within 2 blocks, more than 11! LOTS of attractions in a really nice and opulent atmosphere. All that was before the Clinton Library!
 And here we are in 2010, talking about putting zero attractions down there.
............
 It&#039;s unfathomably bizarre.
..........
WHERE is the money that has already been spent?!
...........
Show us the receipts!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can guarantee you that no retail, one restaurant, and not much else will not bring people to the river front for very long.<br />
 If you don&#8217;t have enough retail, there becomes no attraction for locals and nothing to hold tourists for long or in large enough groups to mean anything over the long run.<br />
 However, if you move towards more retail, more restaurants, you might be able to make it make sense.<br />
 No retail? What are people supposed to be attracted to, staring at the same thing all day everyday with no other attraction? Maybe you think they&#8217;ll stare at Bass Pro Shop, hahaha.<br />
 There is NO Bass Pro Shop.<br />
 What do they get from going to the new riverfront development that they can&#8217;t get anywhere else? To say they were there? Not enough.<br />
 One restaurant?<br />
 Gordon Ramsey would be yelling his head off at you. You better have one super-stellar restaurant and the employees better learn to wash their hands!<br />
 In Little Rock they go to get stuff that they can&#8217;t get anywhere else nearby, news, news station, foods, soups, bread, BBQ (that&#8217;s right), flowers, Sushi, bakery stuff cookies donuts cakes and pies, hear live music, a library, clothing stores, Africana, a museum of discovery, apartments, Arkansas stuff, and lots of other stuff. TONS of restaurants within 2 blocks, more than 11! LOTS of attractions in a really nice and opulent atmosphere. All that was before the Clinton Library!<br />
 And here we are in 2010, talking about putting zero attractions down there.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
 It&#8217;s unfathomably bizarre.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
WHERE is the money that has already been spent?!<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
Show us the receipts!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://www.smartcitymemphis.com/2010/02/friends-for-our-riverfront-development-corporation/comment-page-1/#comment-13233</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said, move forward.  Post haste.    

SCM&#039;s advocacy on behalf of the consolidation movement has been more subtle and without the hyperbole of the BSL postings although there is no doubt where they stand on that issue.  Don&#039;t believe me, read the archives.  The postings are chock full of facts and data and SCM&#039;s tone is persuasive, not ardent.  Participants, even those who disagree, are treated with respect and aren&#039;t labeled fools.  You really can do better than that, can&#039;t you?

Perhaps I&#039;m comparing apples and oranges because how does one quantify the potential benefits of the BSL other than to suggest it will bring more people to the river?  

My two cents from a faithful reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, move forward.  Post haste.    </p>
<p>SCM&#8217;s advocacy on behalf of the consolidation movement has been more subtle and without the hyperbole of the BSL postings although there is no doubt where they stand on that issue.  Don&#8217;t believe me, read the archives.  The postings are chock full of facts and data and SCM&#8217;s tone is persuasive, not ardent.  Participants, even those who disagree, are treated with respect and aren&#8217;t labeled fools.  You really can do better than that, can&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m comparing apples and oranges because how does one quantify the potential benefits of the BSL other than to suggest it will bring more people to the river?  </p>
<p>My two cents from a faithful reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zippy, maybe you missed it, but FFOR wants little to no retail- just check out their web page.  In fact they consider any degree of permanent private development as some sort of cancer that should be prevented from intruding on the grand public space.  From what I understand after talking to one of the reps of the RDC- the initial impulse was to include more retail and commercial space, but a compromise was reached in order to try and pacify some of the anti- BSL crowd.  The RDC does one thing and everyone says Booo!, they try the other direction and everyone says Booo!  It still amazes me anyone would want to invest themselves in town that has no idea how to achieve a set goal or can’t decide what the goal should be in the first place.  
Or better yet, when they are trying to accomplish something they see as positive, there is always a crowd reminding them of how idiotic their plan is, how it is doomed to failure and how they, the crowd, could do so much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zippy, maybe you missed it, but FFOR wants little to no retail- just check out their web page.  In fact they consider any degree of permanent private development as some sort of cancer that should be prevented from intruding on the grand public space.  From what I understand after talking to one of the reps of the RDC- the initial impulse was to include more retail and commercial space, but a compromise was reached in order to try and pacify some of the anti- BSL crowd.  The RDC does one thing and everyone says Booo!, they try the other direction and everyone says Booo!  It still amazes me anyone would want to invest themselves in town that has no idea how to achieve a set goal or can’t decide what the goal should be in the first place.<br />
Or better yet, when they are trying to accomplish something they see as positive, there is always a crowd reminding them of how idiotic their plan is, how it is doomed to failure and how they, the crowd, could do so much better.</p>
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		<title>By: BHendIII</title>
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		<dc:creator>BHendIII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is &quot;shaking pom poms&quot;; but we do see the need to continue the development of our riverfront, and presently the group in the best position to ensure that improvement is the RDC. Sure require an accounting, but to stop the project after the size of the current investment is insanity. The City needs to see this project through. Memphis will be much better for it. 

Opponents criticize the investment and the project in total. They would have Memphis simply walk away from the investment of millions and millions of dollars with no thought to the size of that loss. Well I believe it makes much more sense to provide the small amount of additional funding and complete the project. Beale Street Landing will certainly be a catalyst to attract more and more Memphians downtown to our beautiful riverfront.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is &#8220;shaking pom poms&#8221;; but we do see the need to continue the development of our riverfront, and presently the group in the best position to ensure that improvement is the RDC. Sure require an accounting, but to stop the project after the size of the current investment is insanity. The City needs to see this project through. Memphis will be much better for it. </p>
<p>Opponents criticize the investment and the project in total. They would have Memphis simply walk away from the investment of millions and millions of dollars with no thought to the size of that loss. Well I believe it makes much more sense to provide the small amount of additional funding and complete the project. Beale Street Landing will certainly be a catalyst to attract more and more Memphians downtown to our beautiful riverfront.</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy the giver</title>
		<link>http://www.smartcitymemphis.com/2010/02/friends-for-our-riverfront-development-corporation/comment-page-1/#comment-13222</link>
		<dc:creator>Zippy the giver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heard that!
 from 29.4 million to 33 million, when will it stop?
There needs to be an audit.
 Who&#039;s idea was it to look into their armpit and come up with a plan that has pitiful little retail involved? 
 ONE restaurant? All the eggs in one basket, stupid. 
Get some private money and get some retail.
 Ever been to Little Rock&#039;s River front area? It&#039;s kicking butt right now.
 They didn&#039;t put all their eggs in one basket. I suggest this team talk to Jimmy Moses before doing anything else outdated and stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard that!<br />
 from 29.4 million to 33 million, when will it stop?<br />
There needs to be an audit.<br />
 Who&#8217;s idea was it to look into their armpit and come up with a plan that has pitiful little retail involved?<br />
 ONE restaurant? All the eggs in one basket, stupid.<br />
Get some private money and get some retail.<br />
 Ever been to Little Rock&#8217;s River front area? It&#8217;s kicking butt right now.<br />
 They didn&#8217;t put all their eggs in one basket. I suggest this team talk to Jimmy Moses before doing anything else outdated and stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://www.smartcitymemphis.com/2010/02/friends-for-our-riverfront-development-corporation/comment-page-1/#comment-13210</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zippy:

Is it just me or do some of the comments seem like a huge overdose of faked outrage?  Awfully defensive and why all the hate for Mike who posed some legitimate questions?  Yeah, he&#039;s angry but where was this level of vitriol at Branston&#039;s highly critical piece about the RDC&#039;s tactics recently? 

The most thoughtful people in Memphis have always had their doubts about this project despite Smart City Memphis&#039; cheerleading.   If they don&#039;t like what we have to say, I suggest they stop shaking their pom-poms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zippy:</p>
<p>Is it just me or do some of the comments seem like a huge overdose of faked outrage?  Awfully defensive and why all the hate for Mike who posed some legitimate questions?  Yeah, he&#8217;s angry but where was this level of vitriol at Branston&#8217;s highly critical piece about the RDC&#8217;s tactics recently? </p>
<p>The most thoughtful people in Memphis have always had their doubts about this project despite Smart City Memphis&#8217; cheerleading.   If they don&#8217;t like what we have to say, I suggest they stop shaking their pom-poms.</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy the giver</title>
		<link>http://www.smartcitymemphis.com/2010/02/friends-for-our-riverfront-development-corporation/comment-page-1/#comment-13208</link>
		<dc:creator>Zippy the giver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you MARY!
I was hoping I wasn&#039;t alone in demanding accountability.
 Show me the NUMBERS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you MARY!<br />
I was hoping I wasn&#8217;t alone in demanding accountability.<br />
 Show me the NUMBERS.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No doubt, it is fair to demand an accounting of how we got into this mess.  We should know how a project started before it was fully priced, before it was fully designed and before it was finally approved.  ....   We should hold the RDC and the other riverfront advocates responsible for their respective roles in this situation.  But stopping isn’t really an option, is it?&quot;

Fair?!  How about, essential?   

Agreed, stopping isn&#039;t an option.  Neither is forgetting.  This fiasco reminds me of the missing floor of the garage.  Nobody is ever held accountable for their mistakes.  No wonder the citizens don&#039;t trust the people who are making the big money decisions.    

Has anyone sought to verify the RDC&#039;s claims that they have saved the the city boat loads of money managing the riverfront?  You know, like an actual accounting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No doubt, it is fair to demand an accounting of how we got into this mess.  We should know how a project started before it was fully priced, before it was fully designed and before it was finally approved.  &#8230;.   We should hold the RDC and the other riverfront advocates responsible for their respective roles in this situation.  But stopping isn’t really an option, is it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Fair?!  How about, essential?   </p>
<p>Agreed, stopping isn&#8217;t an option.  Neither is forgetting.  This fiasco reminds me of the missing floor of the garage.  Nobody is ever held accountable for their mistakes.  No wonder the citizens don&#8217;t trust the people who are making the big money decisions.    </p>
<p>Has anyone sought to verify the RDC&#8217;s claims that they have saved the the city boat loads of money managing the riverfront?  You know, like an actual accounting?</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy the giver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zippy the giver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It WON&quot;T be the most valuable IF the only reason it is being built is to put money in a few pockets, it will be another short changed project that doesn&#039;t serve it&#039;s basic purpose built on the hype of one that serves regardless of it&#039;s short-changed-ness.
 Past performance is no guarantee of future performance, especially in a drastically changing economy. There seems to be no timely or dynamic communication path to redirect this project, so, consider your self &quot;a gambler&quot; in the absence of being heard.
 Memphis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It WON&#8221;T be the most valuable IF the only reason it is being built is to put money in a few pockets, it will be another short changed project that doesn&#8217;t serve it&#8217;s basic purpose built on the hype of one that serves regardless of it&#8217;s short-changed-ness.<br />
 Past performance is no guarantee of future performance, especially in a drastically changing economy. There seems to be no timely or dynamic communication path to redirect this project, so, consider your self &#8220;a gambler&#8221; in the absence of being heard.<br />
 Memphis.</p>
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		<title>By: BHendIII</title>
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		<dc:creator>BHendIII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the sake of discussion let&#039;s say the project should not have been started and the money invested could have been better utilized; even if that is the case, Beale Street Landing is now underway and should be completed. Our riverfront is one of the most valuable resources belonging to the city of Memphis. The untapped potential is staggering. In order for Memphis to continue building toward being a destination of choice for visitors from around the world, investments have to be made into our future and Beale Street Landing should be one of those investments.

The efforts of the RDC have been instrumental in the vast majority of the improvements along Riverside Drive that we all now take for granted. The jihad waged by Mike Cromer to disparage Beale Street Landing and the RDC in particular is taking on the appearance of being a tad bit irrational. Does he have some personal financial stake in destroying a worthy project and demeaning good people? Who are the “money people” funding Mike’s war against the project? Inquiring minds want to know, hummm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the sake of discussion let&#8217;s say the project should not have been started and the money invested could have been better utilized; even if that is the case, Beale Street Landing is now underway and should be completed. Our riverfront is one of the most valuable resources belonging to the city of Memphis. The untapped potential is staggering. In order for Memphis to continue building toward being a destination of choice for visitors from around the world, investments have to be made into our future and Beale Street Landing should be one of those investments.</p>
<p>The efforts of the RDC have been instrumental in the vast majority of the improvements along Riverside Drive that we all now take for granted. The jihad waged by Mike Cromer to disparage Beale Street Landing and the RDC in particular is taking on the appearance of being a tad bit irrational. Does he have some personal financial stake in destroying a worthy project and demeaning good people? Who are the “money people” funding Mike’s war against the project? Inquiring minds want to know, hummm.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Lord this Mike guy is really messed up.  He tries to use a biased source and when someone points out the truth, he blames them for uncovering his blunder.  If he&#039;s willing to use very biased sources and twist so much of his information I see no reason to trust him or his website.  If anything it seems like this guy has some kind of personal ax to grind.  Mike, here’s another little tidbit for you to place along with your scorpion fable- those who live in glass houses should not throw the first cobblestone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Lord this Mike guy is really messed up.  He tries to use a biased source and when someone points out the truth, he blames them for uncovering his blunder.  If he&#8217;s willing to use very biased sources and twist so much of his information I see no reason to trust him or his website.  If anything it seems like this guy has some kind of personal ax to grind.  Mike, here’s another little tidbit for you to place along with your scorpion fable- those who live in glass houses should not throw the first cobblestone.</p>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently he was watching the 106 in a parallel universe, one where the streets are filled with milk, honey, and cobblestones.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its pretty clear from that post that Mr. Cromer has given up on persuading people, because I can&#039;t imagine someone thinking that screed would do the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its pretty clear from that post that Mr. Cromer has given up on persuading people, because I can&#8217;t imagine someone thinking that screed would do the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Smart City Consulting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smart City Consulting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:

Be careful.  If you ever fall off your high horse, you&#039;re going to break your neck.

You have lost all sense of proportion and perspective on this issue, and we have other things to talk about, so we&#039;ll not take the time correct all the misstatements, half-truths, and warped facts in your last comment.

No more questions at all.  We just hate to see someone make this big a fool of themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:</p>
<p>Be careful.  If you ever fall off your high horse, you&#8217;re going to break your neck.</p>
<p>You have lost all sense of proportion and perspective on this issue, and we have other things to talk about, so we&#8217;ll not take the time correct all the misstatements, half-truths, and warped facts in your last comment.</p>
<p>No more questions at all.  We just hate to see someone make this big a fool of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Cromer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Cromer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you asked.

&lt;b&gt;YOU:&lt;/b&gt; There never should have even been a 106 process. It was all politically motivated and not undertaken in good faith.

&lt;b&gt;A:&lt;/b&gt; The section 106 was necessary because BSL sat right next to, and even overlapped, a historic area (the cobblestones). The SHPO report said that BSL should not be considered separately from the historic area -- they should be considered together. They were right. In fact, the CR Master Plan said that the entire area should be thought of as one component, with the centerline at Union. BSL was essentially an enhancement to the cobblestone area -- necessary only because the big boats were already banned at the cobblestones, and the Mud Island boat landing would be bulldozed by a land bridge.

The RDC was anxious to get BSL approved and did not want to show its hand on the cobblestones. They had long decided (contrary to the Master Plan) that the cobblestones were to be diminished and de-commissioned in favor of their shiny new object, BSL. To get around SHPO, they were able to use their political connections to have the report overruled by TDEC. The final public meeting was a complete sham. So, yes, you are correct, the process was politicized. &lt;i&gt;But to RDC&#039;s benefit.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;YOU:&lt;/b&gt; If the RDC has 24/7 access to halls of poverty and is greasing the skids, why is this project in question then?

Don&#039;t pretend to be naive. It&#039;s because: (1) At long last the RDC has made a big ugly money goof they cannot easily cover up. (2) They have lost their protector (Herenton), and there is a new mayor and largely new City Council. (3) People are just getting weary of the no-results RDC and its b.s. (4) People are finally coming to the realization about some truths that I and others have been saying all along. (5) Money and priorities. We don&#039;t need a boat dock to nowhere. And we can&#039;t afford a $37M piece of urban art.

We don&#039;t need an icon on our riverfront, either. We already have a recognizable one: A Bass Pro in the shape of a Pyramid.

&lt;b&gt;YOU:&lt;/b&gt; And we notice that you and others never manage to point out the money that RDC has saved the city in maintenance, landscaping, etc., or the new additions RDC has given us, like stairway connecting bluffs to Tom Lee Park.

&lt;b&gt;A:&lt;/b&gt; I specifically avoid talking about about RDC&#039;s, separate management role, to keep my messages clear and focused. If the City thinks the RDC does a fine job, let them keep the contract. If not, let then let the contract be re-bid at next renewal. But let&#039;s be clear on this: Whether or not they are good property managers has little to do with whether or not they should continue to have the exclusive development role. It won&#039;t surprise you that I think they have proved to be incredibly incompetent in the development role. The City should have figured this out back in 2005, but by then the RDC had secured a ten-year Development contract.

And let&#039;s not perpetuate the b.s.: In fact, the RDC has NOT provably saved the City any money. First, remember that the RDC gets to pocket every dime they can make off the riverfront. The City&#039;s management fee may only be a little over $2M at this point, but the RDC&#039;s total budget is more like $6-7M. Unaccounted for in this is all the off-books equipment, supplies, employees, free utilities, and whatever else the RDC &quot;borrows&quot; from the City. (For example, try to find even a truck on the RDC&#039;s Form 990.) The fact is, the City isn&#039;t paying them to &lt;i&gt;manage&lt;/i&gt; the riverfront, they are &lt;i&gt;subsidizing a private business&lt;/i&gt; down there on the riverfront.

Now you could argue that running the riverfront as a business concession is an efficient way to go, and I&#039;d be inclined to agree -- other policy questions aside. But comparing the RDC&#039;s &quot;management fee&quot; to various rates of inflation (one of RDC&#039;s PowerPoint slides) or even suggesting that it comprises the true cost to the City, just insults my intelligence. 

Second, the stairway is actually the completion of a plan and project that began long before RDC was even a gleam in Herenton&#039;s eye. And NONE of the small &quot;development&quot; projects the RDC has ever done have stemmed from the RDC&#039;s own Master Plan -- except BSL (allegedly) and we can see where that is.

&lt;b&gt;YOU:&lt;/b&gt; If you don’t think that it’s fair to paint Friends group as the people in black hats (which we happen to agree with), why doesn’t that common sense approach apply to RDC too? And we think you underestimate what the board knows and supports, and suggestions that they are mere puppets is not only inaccurate, it is demeaning.

&lt;b&gt;A:&lt;/b&gt; I sit in on those board meetings, which is more than you do. I know what the board is told. I know the the kind of questions they ask. It may be demeaning to say it, but the truth sometimes hurts.

What&#039;s more, I&#039;ve read all the minutes for the first 3-4 years of their existence -- both the executive committee and the board. The decisions were and still are made by the insiders, starting with John Stokes and Benny Lendermon. What we can&#039;t knows is whose advice &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; are following, if not their own. Because, you see, they do not open their Exec Committee meetings any more. They pretend they do not have such a thing. This is where they play the &quot;private&quot; side of their &quot;public-private partnership&quot; to the hilt. We do not know what developers, financiers, and other Memphis power-players Benny Lendermon gets his marching orders from by telephone. But we can guess that Mr. Lendermon doesn&#039;t make a move regarding, say, the Promenade without a phone call to a certain developer.

If you look on my site you&#039;ll find the story of the Scorpion and the Frog. I don&#039;t &quot;hate&quot; the RDC. They are doing what God made and conditioned them to do. Like the scorpion in the fable, they can&#039;t help themselves. It is their nature. They are, after all, wannabe developer-tycoons (and former city employees). The sad part is that they are plainly incompetent in that role. But I do not even blame them for that. They&#039;re obviously conflicted. Their &lt;i&gt;true&lt;/i&gt; role was to serve as puppets and tools for the real developers, who needed the cover of a public-private partnership to make a land grab on the riverfront.

&lt;b&gt;YOU:&lt;/b&gt; And finally, the person you quote about the project is someone who was released by one of the companies working on Beale Street Landing, and he did not ever work on the project.

&lt;b&gt;A:&lt;/b&gt; I had figured that you and Lendermon would have the guy investigated within 24 hours and report back to us. Thanks for the update. But no matter. The truth is that all the RDC got out of that design contest was a bunch of pretty pictures from some &quot;internationally-acclaimed&quot; urban artists. They still had to pay millions to turn the design into something they could actually build. The boat dock alone cost a small fortune to figure out, due to it&#039;s being &quot;unique&quot; in the world. Now the RDC spinmeisters are trying to blame SHPO and other regulators for it all. That is total b.s.

Any more questions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you asked.</p>
<p><b>YOU:</b> There never should have even been a 106 process. It was all politically motivated and not undertaken in good faith.</p>
<p><b>A:</b> The section 106 was necessary because BSL sat right next to, and even overlapped, a historic area (the cobblestones). The SHPO report said that BSL should not be considered separately from the historic area &#8212; they should be considered together. They were right. In fact, the CR Master Plan said that the entire area should be thought of as one component, with the centerline at Union. BSL was essentially an enhancement to the cobblestone area &#8212; necessary only because the big boats were already banned at the cobblestones, and the Mud Island boat landing would be bulldozed by a land bridge.</p>
<p>The RDC was anxious to get BSL approved and did not want to show its hand on the cobblestones. They had long decided (contrary to the Master Plan) that the cobblestones were to be diminished and de-commissioned in favor of their shiny new object, BSL. To get around SHPO, they were able to use their political connections to have the report overruled by TDEC. The final public meeting was a complete sham. So, yes, you are correct, the process was politicized. <i>But to RDC&#8217;s benefit.</i></p>
<p><b>YOU:</b> If the RDC has 24/7 access to halls of poverty and is greasing the skids, why is this project in question then?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t pretend to be naive. It&#8217;s because: (1) At long last the RDC has made a big ugly money goof they cannot easily cover up. (2) They have lost their protector (Herenton), and there is a new mayor and largely new City Council. (3) People are just getting weary of the no-results RDC and its b.s. (4) People are finally coming to the realization about some truths that I and others have been saying all along. (5) Money and priorities. We don&#8217;t need a boat dock to nowhere. And we can&#8217;t afford a $37M piece of urban art.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need an icon on our riverfront, either. We already have a recognizable one: A Bass Pro in the shape of a Pyramid.</p>
<p><b>YOU:</b> And we notice that you and others never manage to point out the money that RDC has saved the city in maintenance, landscaping, etc., or the new additions RDC has given us, like stairway connecting bluffs to Tom Lee Park.</p>
<p><b>A:</b> I specifically avoid talking about about RDC&#8217;s, separate management role, to keep my messages clear and focused. If the City thinks the RDC does a fine job, let them keep the contract. If not, let then let the contract be re-bid at next renewal. But let&#8217;s be clear on this: Whether or not they are good property managers has little to do with whether or not they should continue to have the exclusive development role. It won&#8217;t surprise you that I think they have proved to be incredibly incompetent in the development role. The City should have figured this out back in 2005, but by then the RDC had secured a ten-year Development contract.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not perpetuate the b.s.: In fact, the RDC has NOT provably saved the City any money. First, remember that the RDC gets to pocket every dime they can make off the riverfront. The City&#8217;s management fee may only be a little over $2M at this point, but the RDC&#8217;s total budget is more like $6-7M. Unaccounted for in this is all the off-books equipment, supplies, employees, free utilities, and whatever else the RDC &#8220;borrows&#8221; from the City. (For example, try to find even a truck on the RDC&#8217;s Form 990.) The fact is, the City isn&#8217;t paying them to <i>manage</i> the riverfront, they are <i>subsidizing a private business</i> down there on the riverfront.</p>
<p>Now you could argue that running the riverfront as a business concession is an efficient way to go, and I&#8217;d be inclined to agree &#8212; other policy questions aside. But comparing the RDC&#8217;s &#8220;management fee&#8221; to various rates of inflation (one of RDC&#8217;s PowerPoint slides) or even suggesting that it comprises the true cost to the City, just insults my intelligence. </p>
<p>Second, the stairway is actually the completion of a plan and project that began long before RDC was even a gleam in Herenton&#8217;s eye. And NONE of the small &#8220;development&#8221; projects the RDC has ever done have stemmed from the RDC&#8217;s own Master Plan &#8212; except BSL (allegedly) and we can see where that is.</p>
<p><b>YOU:</b> If you don’t think that it’s fair to paint Friends group as the people in black hats (which we happen to agree with), why doesn’t that common sense approach apply to RDC too? And we think you underestimate what the board knows and supports, and suggestions that they are mere puppets is not only inaccurate, it is demeaning.</p>
<p><b>A:</b> I sit in on those board meetings, which is more than you do. I know what the board is told. I know the the kind of questions they ask. It may be demeaning to say it, but the truth sometimes hurts.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, I&#8217;ve read all the minutes for the first 3-4 years of their existence &#8212; both the executive committee and the board. The decisions were and still are made by the insiders, starting with John Stokes and Benny Lendermon. What we can&#8217;t knows is whose advice <i>they</i> are following, if not their own. Because, you see, they do not open their Exec Committee meetings any more. They pretend they do not have such a thing. This is where they play the &#8220;private&#8221; side of their &#8220;public-private partnership&#8221; to the hilt. We do not know what developers, financiers, and other Memphis power-players Benny Lendermon gets his marching orders from by telephone. But we can guess that Mr. Lendermon doesn&#8217;t make a move regarding, say, the Promenade without a phone call to a certain developer.</p>
<p>If you look on my site you&#8217;ll find the story of the Scorpion and the Frog. I don&#8217;t &#8220;hate&#8221; the RDC. They are doing what God made and conditioned them to do. Like the scorpion in the fable, they can&#8217;t help themselves. It is their nature. They are, after all, wannabe developer-tycoons (and former city employees). The sad part is that they are plainly incompetent in that role. But I do not even blame them for that. They&#8217;re obviously conflicted. Their <i>true</i> role was to serve as puppets and tools for the real developers, who needed the cover of a public-private partnership to make a land grab on the riverfront.</p>
<p><b>YOU:</b> And finally, the person you quote about the project is someone who was released by one of the companies working on Beale Street Landing, and he did not ever work on the project.</p>
<p><b>A:</b> I had figured that you and Lendermon would have the guy investigated within 24 hours and report back to us. Thanks for the update. But no matter. The truth is that all the RDC got out of that design contest was a bunch of pretty pictures from some &#8220;internationally-acclaimed&#8221; urban artists. They still had to pay millions to turn the design into something they could actually build. The boat dock alone cost a small fortune to figure out, due to it&#8217;s being &#8220;unique&#8221; in the world. Now the RDC spinmeisters are trying to blame SHPO and other regulators for it all. That is total b.s.</p>
<p>Any more questions?</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SmartCity,
Maybe this is an inappropriate place to ask such a broad brushed question, but do you ever get frustrated with Memphis and its citizens?  The talent and knowledge you are presenting is obvious, almost as obvious as the change that could occur with the same devotion if focused on a city less apathetic and hostile to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SmartCity,<br />
Maybe this is an inappropriate place to ask such a broad brushed question, but do you ever get frustrated with Memphis and its citizens?  The talent and knowledge you are presenting is obvious, almost as obvious as the change that could occur with the same devotion if focused on a city less apathetic and hostile to change.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe part of the problem is the message-bearer itself, the RDC.  I seem to recall reading quite a bit about the high salaries, double-dipping, etc., that goes on there.  When there&#039;s a fundamental lack of trust in the message-bearer, the message sometimes gets lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe part of the problem is the message-bearer itself, the RDC.  I seem to recall reading quite a bit about the high salaries, double-dipping, etc., that goes on there.  When there&#8217;s a fundamental lack of trust in the message-bearer, the message sometimes gets lost.</p>
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